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Wed Jul 2 13:52:19 UTC 2025

With regard to aero-towing the PW-5, there are some things to consider
before a final decision is made:

Time:  It will take up to two hours for a round trip, given that the Husky
would have to land at W99 to return a ferry pilot.  That means having
people stand by at KFRR until the PW can be launched.  This can be
mitigated by dragging the PW over earlier in the day.  Trailer tow will
allow for assembly/disassembly training, however that will also suck up
time.  If there is no need to return a ferry pilot, then this can be
reduced by 30 minutes or more (see "Heartburn").

Cost:  I believe the cost/tach hour for the Husky is $90.  Given constant
RPM's, tach time is much closer to elapsed time.  Costs will be at least
$150 per round trip and there will be two round trips.  Less if we don't
return a pilot.

Heartburn:  Back in 2018, the Husky was used to ferry a pilot back to KFRR
so that he could get his car, which caused some "pushback" from the Board.
The costs for ferrying the pilot back had to be absorbed by all of the
participants (I think). Also, if we take the PW over early, that could
impact anyone who wants to fly it on the 27th.

Are the participants willing to expend the extra time/money to aero-tow the
PW vs. trailer-tow?   I think that there's a high likelihood that the PW
trailer will wind up in W99 anyhow.

We really need to have the PW at W99, we just need to figure out what's
most cost and time effective.

Please poke as many holes in my argument as possible.

My $0.02 CDN.

On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 10:07 PM Alex Zobell via Wot2025 <
wot2025 at skylinesoaring.org> wrote:

> I'd be willing to fly the PW-5 over.  I'd hope 400 hours in sailplanes and
> a Gold Badge is enough to be considered a qualified pilot.  Even better if
> I get a ride back to FRR in the Husky to get my truck and GWZ' trailer.
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 12:08 PM John Storey via Wot2025 <
> wot2025 at skylinesoaring.org> wrote:
>
>> I have an F150 with an 8’ bed and hitch (9,000lbs, Class III) and can
>> drive or tow as needed on Saturday and Sunday.
>>
>> John Storey
>> 916.600.9613
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 10:16 AM Stephanie Zilora via Wot2025 <
>> wot2025 at skylinesoaring.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Couple of thoughts in response below in red.  Also recommend doing a
>>> logistics planning Zoom call, like we did last year, a week or two ahead of
>>> time.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2025 at 10:43 PM Piet Barber via Wot2025 <
>>> wot2025 at skylinesoaring.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've set up this Week of Training Mailing list for all participants who
>>>> have signed up.
>>>>
>>>> wot2025 at skylinesoaring.org
>>>>
>>>> Please use this mailing list for discussing planning for the WoT.
>>>> Please don't send email to members at skylinesoaring.org for this
>>>> content.   *Please reply-all if you have something useful to share.*
>>>> If you just respond to me, your awesome idea might get lost.
>>>>
>>>> Please refer to the WoT Bible on the WoT website. I've updated it with
>>>> the latest information, and it's a constantly-evolving document.
>>>>
>>>> Piet's concerns and thoughts, no particular order:
>>>>
>>>>    - I have a feeling that we are short a few trailer hitches
>>>>    - Chris Norris isn't going to be at this WoT, his job very rudely
>>>>    ignored his vacation request.  This is a problem because he's a ferry pilot
>>>>    for one of the two seat gliders.  That means I need a very-qualified pilot
>>>>    to ferry the other glider over from FRR to W99 and I need a ferry pilot
>>>>    from W99 back to FRR.  (Chris Carswell?  Chris Zaboji?)
>>>>    - I don't think we have a trailer suitable for transporting the
>>>>    Gator and all the crap that we usually bring to W99.  I suppose we could
>>>>    rent a nice UHaul trailer, or maybe Shane could score one. I'll try
>>>>    to remember to measure the Gator when I'm at KFRR this Saturday so we know
>>>>    how much room we need.  The enclosed trailer was nice, because there was
>>>>    less stuff that we had to worry about strapping down.  Could also put out a
>>>>    call to the membership list to see if anyone has a big enough trailer.
>>>>    - If we can't find a UHaul trailer big enough for the Gator, maybe
>>>>    we don't need the Gator after all.  We've always had a Gator for towing
>>>>    gliders around, and sometimes a glider lands short on the grass runway, and
>>>>    there's not enough manpower to push that glider back to the starting
>>>>    point.  Gator is also useful for if we have to operate off of 13,
>>>>    for bringing everything down there
>>>>    - At present, it doesn't seem like we have enough interest for the
>>>>    Discii to go to W99. Rob Jacobsen? Is this true?
>>>>    - We've never aerotowed the PW-5 over, but I don't see why not.
>>>>    Seems easier than tearing it down and putting it into a trailer, especially
>>>>    since I'm short a few trailer hitches for this WoT.  Counterpoint
>>>>    is that you need another very-qualified ferry pilot, and you add an
>>>>    additional person to the cannibal/missionary problem
>>>>    - If your vehicle has a trailer hitch and you didn't indicate it on
>>>>    the WoT Application, please let me know right away!
>>>>    - If you don't have a trailer hitch, but you do have a roomy SUV
>>>>    and you don't mind driving the ferry pilots, I could really use you as the
>>>>    ferry-pilot-migrator. Please volunteer!  This means you drive to W99 on
>>>>    Sunday evening, wait for us to ferry over, the ferry pilots get into your
>>>>    SUV, and you drive back to FRR.  Then you have to drive back to W99 again. I
>>>>    still think you guys should take all your stuff and your cars over to W99
>>>>    Sunday morning, set up your tents, then get ferried/driven back to KFRR,
>>>>    and do the ferry flight Sunday afternoon, so that you're not having to set
>>>>    up tents at midnight.  Same number of trips, different order and timing.
>>>>
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